The
Redoubtable Mr. Newman
A Portrait
of the Artist as Actor, Director
and...Presence
GROVER LEWIS
Posted Jul 05,
1973 9:00 AM
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April in
Chicago this year, anyway is the
cruelest month. On a dreary Monday-morning
coming down just after the frenetic
early-hour commuter boogie in the Loop, a
pall of icewater rain, laced with stinging
shards of birdshot sleet, is freezing the
streets in a muddy glaze. Despite the vile
weather, however, a crowd of about a
thousand spectators is milling about in the
high-vaulted waiting room at Union Station,
an imposing, marble-appointed structure that
falls architecturally somewhere between San
Simeon and Lourdes.
The crowd, assembled behind police rope
barriers, is orderly and polite, but hums
with a muted expectancy. All these men,
women and children with the emphasis
distinctly on women are waiting in the
waiting room to catch a glimpse of their
fantasies fleshed out to watch Paul Newman
and Robert Redford and the English actor
Robert Shaw enact a brief location scene for
a $4.5 million-budgeted film about
Depression-Era con men called The Sting.
Local media hawkshaws are in attendance in
force, and several television crews are
preparing to record the forthcoming event
for a posterity that will extend at least
unto the ten o'clock news. Hovering about
from out of town, there's also a toney lady
from Time, Inc., a writer from San
Francisco, and the critically-esteemed
painter-turned-Land film photographer, Marie
Cosindas, who, like Julia Child, is made
possible by a grant from the Polaroid
Corporation. Cosindas, a fragile-featured
little woman swaddled to the throat in a
black patent-leather greatcoat, ordinarily
plies her career by jetting around the
country capturing exquisitely-detailed
portraits of dandies in the aspic of her
Land film, but right now, waiting for the
stars to appear, she's snapping random faces
in the crowd.
The lady from Time, Inc., is hopping from
one foot to another, looking as if she might
just wet her smart Gucci pantsuit at any
moment. The reason for her distress, she
tells the film's unit publicist, is that
she's convinced she knows in her bones
that Newman won't grant her any time in
private. "The last time he gave an interview
worth the name," she complains in a wail,
"was in 1967."
The publicist has troubles of her own
she's lost her wallet, containing a couple
of hundred dollars in cash and all her
credit cards. "Maybe I dropped it in the
cab," she frets forlornly. "Or when Newman
kissed my hand when I got out of it. Oh, my
what a dear price to pay."
By mid-morning, the prop men have finished
dressing the set, which is a
Thirties-vintage newsstand displaying mint
copies of such period magazines as Movie
Pic, Crime Detective, Love Stories, Lady
Beautiful, Air Classics, House Beautiful,
Love Novelettes and Radio Guide.
Georgia's primordially racist "Our Gene"
Talmadge smiles benignly off the cover of
Time. As a final touch, an electrician
hooks up a popcorn machine at the end of the
newsstand counter, and an assistant director
positions 30-odd extras costumed in
Depression drag the women rouged up, the
men slicked down among the oaken waiting
room pews.
By now, George Roy Hill, the director who
worked with Newman and Redford on Butch
Cassidy and the Sundance Kid in 1969, is
taking an experimental ride on a dolly to
calculate whether the setup he has in mind
will work. Wearing a baggy, mouse-colored
cardigan and a saucily-tilted Alpine hat,
Robert Surtees, the chunky little
cinematographer who manned the camera on
The Last Picture Show, is squinting
through a viewfinder at Redford's uncanny
look-alike/stand-in, a young Southern
California surfer-type named Greg. "Aw,
c'mon, Bob," Greg teases with a laugh, "roll
a few feet, why don't you. Some of my
greatest moments come when I'm clickin' the
ol' slate."
A young sailor, his seabag at the heft, has
somehow or other managed to wander behind
the rope barricades, and he hesitantly taps
Surtees on the shoulder. "Hey, what's goin'
on?" he asks in a voice that hasn't quite
navigated its changes yet. "Gimme a rundown
on the picture, would you, sir?" Surtees
smiles and traces a finger along the bridge
of his broad nose: "Um ? well, do you
remember The Hustler?" O-eyed, the
boy nods yes and stammers that he saw the
picture on TV. "Well, in The Hustler,
it was pool. In this one, it's poker. But
it's the same guy."
Over in the crush of spectators, a fetching
young secretary in a Tango ensemble
of miniskirt, maxicoat, and high, glossy
boots nudges her girlfriend excitedly: "Oh,
I'm so thrilled. Nothing like this
ever happens in Chicago! I'd even take
Redford's stand-in." Then her eyes go wide
and she squeals, "Oh, my God, look, look!
Jesus Christ, it's him! It's Paul
Newman Superstar!"
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A susurrous moment of hush falls over the
station as Newman, trailed by Redford and
Robert Shaw, strolls down the center aisle
toward the newsstand. Newman and Redford are
both decked out in three-piece worsted suits
and soft-crushed fedoras. Shaw, who plays a
would-be classy New York racketeer in the
film, is wearing a camel-hair topcoat and a
black homburg, and he's limping noticeably
due to a recent spill on a handball court.
The eerie suspension of noise in the vast
terminal sustains itself until Newman
surveys the crowd with a jolting blue glance
and flashes a dazzling smile to one and all.
Then a pandemonium of cheers and applause
breaks loose quite literally, it's a
standing ovation. A little sheepishly,
Newman acknowledges the crowd's worshipful
tribute by raising his hands like a champ in
the ring, then cuts a beeline for the
newsstand, where he helps himself to a
double handful of popcorn and listens, head
bent intently, snapping, electric eyes alert
in concentration, to George Roy Hill's
instructions about the upcoming scene. It's
a relatively simple dolly shot showing a
wordless but significant encounter between
Newman and Redford, and Shaw and a retinue
of burly actors portraying Shaw's
bodyguards.
Redford waves a general hello to the crew,
embraces Marie Cosindas, who's an old
friend, and shakes hands with the writer
from San Francisco, whom he's also known
previously. "My God, what a reception," the
publicist murmurs, looking a little
shell-shocked by it all. Redford gestures
self-effacingly it's one of his most
appealing mannerisms and glances fondly in
Newman's direction. "It's Paul's day, I
guess," he shrugs.
Near the edge of the crowd, a couple of
middle-aged data analysts who work for the
Milwaukee Road are still agog over the furor
Newman's arrival caused, too. "I used to go
see Sinatra at the Paramount in New York
when I was a kid," one man tells the other,
"and, my God, I never saw anything like
that. I bet the temperature in here went
up 22 degrees when Newman walked in." "I
never saw anything like it, either," the
second man says. "Myself, I think we ought
to rope off that center aisle and never let
anybody use it again."
Ringed three-quarters around by avid faces,
mostly women's faces whose eyes are rapidly
ping-ponging back and forth between Newman
and Redford, the scene requires little more
than an hour to shoot. From take to take,
both Newman and Redford vary their dramatic
business, and it's obvious that they're
having fun and relishing each other's
company. When George Roy Hill declares the
scene a wrap just before noon, Lee Paul, a
baby-faced giant who plays one of Shaw's
bodyguards, loosens his tie and sniffs the
air. "I smell pot" he announces
gleefully.
A longish-haired young trader from the
Commodities Exchange, which is located in
the building next to the terminal,
introduces himself to Newman and offers to
take him on a tour of the facility, which is
the Midwestern equivalent of the Wall Street
Stock Exchange. Newman tilts his fedora
forward over one eye and grins: "Sure, why
not? Sounds interesting. Man ought to be
curious."
When they hear where Newman's going,
Redford, Shaw and Hill all decide to tag
along, too, and a police escort is
assembled. On the way to the exchange, which
involves traversing several heavily-traveled
corridors and stairwells, Newman picks up a
Pied Piper-like entourage of followers,
numbering at times around 300 people.
Everybody wants to touch him, as if to
reassure themselves that he really exists.
Nobody attempts to separate him from his
clothes, but the men scramble for the
opportunity to shake his hand, and the women
jockey for position to pat him on the arm,
the shoulder, the back. To those who ask him
for his autograph, Newman politely but
firmly declines, muttering some variant of
"I'm waging a one-man war against
autographs."
The Commodities Exchange, which deals in
such profit-skimming intangibles as pork
belly and grain futures, is a huge hall with
an open pit for bidding, a floor that
resembles the aftermath of an explosion in
the National Archives, and electronic tote
boards that soar two stories high. Upon
Newman's entry, the action on the boards...stops.
Hundreds of traders and their secretaries
leave off trading money the sole purpose
and function of the exchange?and crowd
around Newman, angling for a glimpse of him,
a touch of him, a word from him.
An expensively-tailored executive-type who
carries himself with stern authority elbows
his way up to Newman, causing all the
traders nearby to take a respectful step
backwards. The man extends his business card
to Newman and says, rather imperiously, "I'd
like your autograph, please. For my wife."
Politely, but without accepting the card,
Newman explains that he doesn't sign
autographs.
Newman's tour guide, the longish-haired
trader, coughs delicately into his palm:
"Uh, Mr. Newman, I'd like to introduce you
to, uh, Mr. E.P. Harris. Mr. Harris is, uh,
the president of the Commodities Exchange."
Newman blinks, then gingerly accepts the
card between thumb and forefinger. He
studies it a moment, then slips it in his
breast pocket. Then he winks and leans
forward gravely to whisper in Harris' ear,
"Maybe I'll mail it to you, pal."
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Due to Mayor Daley's tightfisted municipal
fiscal policies and various union conflict,
the filming of big-budget film productions
is a rarity in Chicago, and the local
television fare that evening reflects the
city's keenly aroused interest in the
presence of the Sting troupe.
Channels 5 and 7 compete for the eight
o'clock movie-viewing audience by pitting
The Secret War of Harry Frigg, starring
Paul Newman, against Situation Hopeless,
But Not Serious, starring Robert
Redford. And, on the news at ten on Channel
2, prominent coverage is given to the day's
filming activities at Union Station.
Sipping scotch with a couple of guests and
his wife, the much-acclaimed English actress
Mary Ure, Robert Shaw watches the report
with a beetled brow in the
elegantly-appointed sitting room of his
suite the "Eva Gabor Suite" at the
Ambassador Hotel. Shaw is wearing maroon
velveteen flares, and Mary, a striking
blonde who laughs often and easily, an
eye-catching blue-and-white checked
pantsuit. A huge cream-colored porcelain
stove warms the room.
"The movie stars finally made it to
Chicago," the announcer intones in a
voice-over of footage showing the waiting
crowd at the terminal, "and although they
are not anxious to have much publicity, we
found them filming at Union Station. In
fact, Union Station hasn't looked so good in
years. The catch is, in the movie The
Sting, it's supposed to be New York's
Central. Maybe that's why they had to rope
off the real Chicago straining to hear the
sounds of lights, camera, action.
"Suddenly, it's 1936 and a con man ambles
down the aisle that wide-brim hat gives
him away a face you've seen many times,
but can't remember his name. I did remember
what Robert Redford looked like, even at 50
yards. He was over there near the camera and
director, listening to instructions being
given to Paul Newman. I remembered him, too,
from the McCarthy campaign. We'll be able to
see him in a minute there he is.
"The secretaries would squeal every time
he'd pass. One even broke through the lines
just to touch him; it makes one pause to
write off moviemaking as glamorous and
exciting all those people waiting to be
thrilled.
"And then, even before I could get his
autograph, it was over. The lights went out,
and so did Newman, who must have seen more
Chicago policemen today than the character
he's playing a 1936 small-time hood. No
violence in today's shooting, not even as
Paul Newman tried to get through the crowd
to have lunch.
"The movie is named The Sting, which
might sum up the feeling of the director
when he saw today's weather. Well, that's
show business at least, that's what they
say in Hollywood."
A commercial for Primateen tablets flashes
on the screen, and Shaw snorts and hobbles
across the room to turn off the set,
favoring his game leg at each step. "Well,
then," he enunciates in a crisp English
baritone as he limps back to his seat beside
Mary and his scotch, "let's do have our
drink, and let's just let me think about all
this...Hmn, I wonder...I was going to say
that Newman is, in a sense, one of the film
stars in the proper sense of the word. I
mean, especially in this country today. I
mean, who knows what would've happened if we
hadn't had any police, and he and Redford
had just entered the stock exchange or
whatever it is without any escort? In other
words, if no attention had been drawn at
all, possibly nobody would've noticed this
respectable middle-aged man with a mustache
they mayn't have recognized him at all, do
you see? But since attention was drawn,
everybody came out, and it was Newman that
they shouted about it was not Redford.
Myself " Shaw grimaces wryly "I found
myself grappling in the wake at the
back. With my broken leg."
Mary peals with laughter: "Oh, poor dear, I
feel so sorry for you, Robert."
"Well, I felt absurd, you know. I was trying
to keep up, and I became separated from the
police escort, and when I got to the stock
exchange, I had to explain who I was
in order to get in."
"With that suspicious look on your face, I'm
not surprised," Mary trills, clapping her
hands.
"Yes, well, precisely. But I did notice that
it was Newman everywhere we passed
through. I mean, I picked up about two fans
on the way, and those two ladies guided me
back to the station, and with great joy they
introduced me to people along the way
'This is Mr. Robert Shaw' and none of
these absolute layers of girls knew
who the hell I was. But they all recognized
Newman, to be sure. I mean, everybody would
come up and kind of swoon over him, but they
didn't in Redford's case, not at all. It was
very noticeable to me.
"There's no question about it that was a
pretty powerful reaction. I mean, it's never
happened to me, except years ago when I was
in television. Then it happens to you. But I
found it absolutely amazing that
those businessmen should stop their
transactions I presume they dropped
thousands of dollars in trade simply
because of Newman's presence.
"It's all very weird, because I found about
ten people spoke to me, all of them
talking about From Russia with Love,
which is a picture I did, for Christ's sake,
about 12 years ago in which I didn't even
speak. I mean, it makes you wonder about
all the things you've done in between.
"What I think it is in Newman's case is that
his image is so constant from picture to
picture. As John Wayne's is, also. That
really is the 'movie star' in the
old-fashioned sense of the word, and I don't
mean that in a derogatory way at all, that's
just what it is."
Mary takes a sip of scotch and turns toward
Shaw: "Explain something to me. Do people
therefore feel that he is unreal, or realer,
or...I don't quite understand. I mean, what
is it your ordinary person feels about
this?"
Shaw gestures airily: "Well, it's the same
reaction as if any fairy tale princess came
to town. That's what it is, isn't it? It's
like when we were children, and we went to
see the queen, I mean to say. Obviously, he
carries for them enormous glamour."
"And they're gratified to see that one of
their fantasy creatures exists in
flesh and blood," Mary muses.
"Exactly. But the same would presumably
happen to any really top-class sportsman.
The same would have happened if Lee Trevino
had gone through there, or Jack Nicklaus "
It's being a pop figure, one of the guests
suggests.
"Precisely," Shaw nods emphatically. "It has
nothing to do with anything else but that
aspect."
"Are they curious as to whether he's
approachable?"
"Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure they're very
flattered that it's their town he's come to
visit. That's what I mean by the queen
because when she comes to tour old Cornwall
and launch a ship, everybody in that town
will turn out.
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"The fact is, I've only played two scenes
with Newman. I've worked with better and
worse actors, and, ah...I'm pretty secure in
that area. Insecure in other areas, such as
alcohol and sex and things like that. But in
terms of the professional arena, I don't
fear anybody, really, at all.
"Boldness has nothing to do with acting.
Newman is a movie star, I say. I know better
actors and I know worse actors, you know
what I mean? He absolutely has a quality
which is remarkable when it's on the screen.
And that seems to be something that hasn't
particularly to do with him as a person or
anything else. I recognize it it's very
powerful. I've known it in other people. And
it's nothing to do with intelligence,
although Newman is a pretty intelligent guy.
I don't know how we relate to this curious
sort of stark quality or whatever...
"Look what I mean is, you cannot define
this kind of magnetism that he has any more
than you can define a kind of animal
magnetism that Olivier has, or one or two
others. But he has it. I don't know exactly
what it is. Fucked if I know what it is, but
it's very strongly there. And, ah...it's a
quality that's so powerful that I don't know
where it comes from. A lot of very good
actors don't have it at all, yet I'm
questioning myself because I don't know if
it's been built up in my mind as a bit of a
myth by now. I mean, I don't know what I
would've thought, you know, if he'd have
come into this room when he was 18 or
something. I certainly don't feel in any way
as an actor that he's overawing at all. I
tell you candidly that what he does always
seems to me to be better in the dailies than
I think it is at the time. That's because of
the very quality we're talking about.
There's something photogenic a chemistry.
What the hell is it? I don't know, but he
certainly has it. If Newman were a
completely unknown actor and had two lines
in a potboiler, he would absolutely stand
out."
Speaking of potboilers, one of the guests
says, Redford and Newman had one each on the
tube this very evening.
"Who do you suppose wrote Situation
Hopeless?" Mary inquires brightly. "Ta-dah!
My husband!"
"Oh, no, not the movie," Shaw groans,
clutching his throat. "It was originally
called The Hiding Place...my first
novel. [Shaw has written five novels and two
plays.] I've never seen the movie. I've
never seen it because I was so shocked when
I read the script that I...
"That was the first time I met Redford. I
was in a play called The Physicist on
Broadway, and he was in that comedy we did
with Jane Fonda?oh, what was the name of
it?"
"Barefoot in the Park," Mary puts in
helpfully.
"That's it. And Redford came to me and said
that he'd just read the book and was going
to Germany to do the film, except he said
the script didn't seem so good to him, so
maybe I should read it. I did it's been
turned into a dreadful zany comedy and
that's the reason I haven't seen the film."
"A friend of ours," Mary purrs, "said that
Robert is the only intellectual he'd ever
met who could also act."
"Well," Shaw harrumphs, "there are plenty of
intelligent actors "
"Oh, yes, yes, there are plenty of
intelligent actors, but I wouldn't say that
they are very intellectual. I mean,
like Olivier. You'd never say he was an
intellectual, but he's absolutely
monkey-shrewd as a human being and as an
actor."
"Hmn. I think that Newman and Olivier are,
in some ways, very similar people. In that
charismatic, in that animal sense. I think
all their best effects are instinctive, and
they're great technicians."
Shaw laughs drolly: "Newman, I must say, is
a kind man. Occasionally, he expresses
concern about my leg. On the other hand,
Redford couldn't give a shit if my leg falls
off at the hip."
"Robert!" Mary cries in mock alarm.
"It's true. Newman really remembers it every
now and again. But as far as Redford's
concerned, if you drop out of the posse,
that's it. You crawl up the mountain trail
on your own."
Mary convulses with laughter: "Oh, Robert
I can just see you hanging on to those
reins...with your legs flinging out behind!"
"I wish I hadn't injured my leg because I
would have loved to play tennis with
Redford. I hear he's quite good."
"Robert is quite good, very good," Mary
assures the guests.
"I am, yes. I mean, I'm quite good. I could
beat Paul in my present condition."
"Robert! That's not true you couldn't beat
anybody."
"Of course I could. Oh, yes, I could. I'd
stand on the baseline with Newman. That
wouldn't be too hard. You can tell those
kinds of things. Redford, on the other hand,
is the type who serves and moves up."
"Well, perhaps Paul doesn't fancy himself a
competitor in sports. Perhaps he "
"Of course. A lot of those kind of actors
aren't, you know. Olivier's the same,
Burton's the same, Paul Scofield's the same.
You can never actually nail them, you see,
because, as Redford would say, in a foot
race, there's only one winner. In the area
of the arts, who is to say, you know?"
"Not that I know Newman, but you're
absolutely right about the other men I've
worked with. They all have this
extraordinarily elusive quality that you
cannot nail down. I mean, I think Scofield
is the most competitive of the lot, although
you'd never think it because of his gentle
exterior."
Shaw drains off his scotch and tents his
fingers in front of his face, peering
through the interstices of his fingers:
"Competitive as an actor, you mean?"
"Well, yes, that's his whole life. He hasn't
got anything else, has he?"
"But he wouldn't play me at table tennis if
I gave him a 17-point start."
"Of course he wouldn't play at table
tennis. He's not interested."
"I know it's the fear of defeat."
"Harold Pinter's a great competitor, too, in
every way, don't you agree?"
Shaw belly-laughs: "Well, you always know
where you are with Pinter. He's a very
basic, private man who always says exactly
what he thinks. He's a kind of Jewish
Redford, hah!"
Shaw limps over to the bar to pour himself
another drink.
"Yes," he muses in a brooding tone, "I could
beat Newman from the baseline. But if
Redford and I were ever to play tennis, one
of us would, ahem...die."
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The next
morning, the foul weather persists, but
Newman and the film company attract another
large crowd of onlookers outside the elegant
old barber shop in the Illinois Central
depot. "You waiting for Redford?" an
assistant director asks George Roy Hill.
Chewing dreamily on a wad of gum, Hill rolls
his eyes in mock exasperation: "Who're we
always waiting for?" When Redford arrives a
few minutes later, the film troupe applauds
to a man.
The scene, showing Redford and Newman
getting manicures in the barber shop, is
quickly dispatched, and as the cumbersome
camera equipment is being trundled away to
the next location site at the La Salle
Street depot, Newman waggles a beckoning
finger at the writer from San Francisco.
"Redford tells me you're OK," he says with
an easy smile. "Whyn't you ride back with us
to the hotel and we'll pop a couple of cold
ones." The toney lady from Time, Inc., who's
standing within earshot, takes on the look
of someone who's contemplating opening a
major vein.
Walking with Redford and the writer to the
Teamster-driven limo that will drive them to
the Ambassador Hotel, Newman waves gaily to
the people behind the rope barricades who
are calling out to him and mutters out of
the corner of his mouth, "I'm always just
faintly embarrassed by all this, if that
makes any sense. I mean, yesterday, we
apparently stopped the market. It's like
sticking a gun in your mouth. I had no idea
it was going to be like that. Whew."
In the car, Redford, scowling, complains at
length about film critics and writers.
"Ah, nobody reads that shit," Newman scoffs.
"But also, I guess it's kind of hard on
journalists. I'm sure there are a lot of
times in the Time/Life situations
where you're sucked into a common form. The
real bad ones, I gather, are the ladies
magazines Home Journal, Redbook "
"It's funny the critics for Time
magazine, the movie critics there all seem
interchangeable. It's because the style is
so definite. They must impose a style."
"Hah!" Newman snorts. "I took off on Jay
Cocks on the Cavett show. I did him in."
"Yeah, he's a punk, Cocks. He's one of those
guys who's never been anywhere. He's never
been to the Bahamas, and yet he wears
leathers, long hair, you know...Again, those
guys who want to be in Hollywood, I wish
they'd just go and settle there and write a
script or whatever it is they want to do."
"I said the worst thing about Cocks," Newman
says with a ghoulish cackle. "I said he's
cute. He writes cute. That's
really got to set the guy on edge, you know.
That must be the worst thing you could call
a writer.
"The thing is, when they're really down on
something, they Take Gamma Rays,
which I just did with Joanne [Woodward,
Newman's wife]. Vincent Canby of the
Times obviously hated the play.
He hated the play so badly that he was
stammering. He hated the play so much he
couldn't see the movie. To the point where
there was nothing in the picture. I
shot it in Bridgeport, you know, and I
filmed what was there. It's a terribly
depressing little town the mayor calls it
the armpit of New England. But Canby had to
hate everything about the picture, so in his
review he even had to quarrel with my choice
of where to shoot it. Whew such bullshit."
Newman grimaces and drains off the last of
his beer.
"Well, I think the end of us all is going to
be Pauline Kael," Redford mutters darkly as
the limo swings into the auto portal at the
hotel. "She claimed that in the end of
Jeremiah Johnson, I was giving the
Indian the finger. The finger, for
Christ's sake."
Newman laughs and stretches forth his hand:
"In the last scene? When you were going like
this?"
"Yeah, I just reached my hand out. That, she
claimed, was the final blow, the final
insult. When I read that, I realized that
she was so out of line, she was so bent that
she's probably a woman who ought to be
locked up somewhere, you know. When you get
that balled up, it's bye-bye time."
Redford goes his separate way for lunch and
upstairs in the corridor outside his suite
on the hotel's ninth floor, Newman fumbles
through the various pockets of his suit,
searching for his room key. "I've got a
memory like a sieve," he says with a rueful
smile. "Maybe I didn't even bring it. No,
here it is, here we go."
Inside the suite, Newman sails his fedora
onto the couch, gestures for the writer to
make himself comfortable, dashes cold water
on his face in the bathroom, fetches two icy
Heineken's beers from the mini-fridge in the
bedroom, and makes two brief phone calls to
business associates. Then he plops down in a
wingback chair facing the couch and takes a
long, satisfying tap of his beer.
Remembering Robert Shaw's curiosity about
Newman of the evening before, the writer
asks Newman if he's bored with his
charismatic superstar status.
"No...I'm not bored by it. You can't be
bored by it. You can be plenty embarrassed
by it, though, because what they're
applauding has nothing to do with me.
They're applauding Harper, Hombre, Hud
all those celluloid manifestations of what
I'm supposed to be like. But those
characters were created by writers. They
were interpreted by me as an actor, but they
were created by writers, and they have
nothing to do with me. That's why it's
embarrassing, because people don't seem to
be willing to separate the allure of the
character and the actor who plays him."
The phone rings.
"Yes?" Newman answers. "Yes, ma'am....
Two hours to Detroit? But it's two hours
from New York, too...Must be the time
change, yeah...And that's United...OK, I'll
see how we do tonight, and I'll call you
back tomorrow. Thanks very much."
Newman hangs up the receiver and sinks back
down in the wingback chair, propping one
wing-tipped shoe against the marble-topped
coffee table.
"Anyway...where were we? Oh, yeah acting.
It's funny, because I never knew what to
make out of all that. I mean, I suppose you
could say there's been one constant in my
life, and that, of course, has been the
theater. It annoyed me, actually, because it
was the only thing I had any talent for,
even as a kid. I would've loved to have been
a professional athlete of one kind or
another, but I had no talent for it at all.
So from the time when I was just a little
kid, I was always in something school
plays in Shaker Heights, repertory theater
in Cleveland, one thing or another."
"Then I gave it up for six or seven years.
My family was very upper-class, half
Catholic, half Jewish. Oddly enough, I was
raised as a Christian Scientist, but that
didn't really take on me. My boyhood was
cloistered, I suppose. My father owned a
sporting goods store in Cleveland one of
the greatest sporting goods stores in the
country. It's no longer in the family. After
my father died, my brother ran it for
awhile, but then the family sold it, and my
brother became a film production engineer."
"I mean, it's so funny to trace these
things," "Newman reflects, tugging at his
neatly-clipped mustache. "It always seems to
me that most things are accidental. There's
so much accident in getting places. You know
being in the right place at the right
time, falling into a certain kind of vacuum.
It's all an incredible sham."
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"After high school, I enrolled in Kenyon
College, but just about then World War II
broke out and I enlisted in the Navy. I
served three years as a radioman-gunner. The
combat situation was...well, we got a few
submarine patrols and so forth when we were
flying torpedo planes out of Okinawa and
Guam."
"After the war, I went back to Kenyon, on
the GI Bill. That's where I got heavily
involved in the whole thing of theater
again. That came about because I got thrown
off the football team, and also thrown in
the clink. What happened was, we were six
guys on the football team, and we got into a
brawl with some locals, and we all got
thrown in the clink. Three of the guys were
thrown out of school, and two of us were
left on probation. All the guys who were
thrown out graduated Phi Beta Kappa from
some other university. Hah!"
"Oh, God, it was really funny. It was a
funny night. Brawls were fun in those days,
you know. Like I got a black eye or a busted
nose or something, but what the hell? There
was a kind of gallantry about it."
"Anyway, the cops rousted us, and the next
thing I knew it was morning and I woke up in
the clink. I remember that the Cleveland
Plain Dealer, which, of course, is the big
newspaper where I come from, had a story on
the lower two columns of the front page
Kenyon College in Trouble Again. Christ, I
mean, we lost our quarterback, tackle,
halfback, you name it."
"In my case, it was no great loss. I was one
of the worst football players in the
history of Kenyon. I was a defensive
linebacker, and I weighed 152 pounds.
Crunch oh, man, I used to get hit."
Grinning, Newman broken-field sprints into
the bedroom and returns with two more frosty
bottles of beer.
"Well, that was an accident, see what I
mean? Getting thrown in the jug, that was
accidental. Because I had given up the
theater I was an economics major at the
time. So, I mean, because of that quirky
little thing of getting bounced off the
team, I had nothing to do with my free time,
so I just went down and read for a play.
That started it, really. That was at the
beginning of my junior year, and I did ten
plays between then and graduation, including
lighting, directing, and starring in a
musical."
"All of that was an accident. Then you go to
the point when my father died, which left me
with no further obligation to continue on
with the tradition of the family business.
That left me free to go to the Yale Drama
School. After I left Yale, I walked into
major part in Picnic, a play that won
the Pulitzer Prize and ran for 14 months.
That was luck. If that play hadn't been
successful I was married to my first wife
by then, and had two children I don't know
if I could've stayed in the theater. I mean,
a play that would last 14 months and make
you financially independent for a couple of
years and give you time to study I had 14
months to study by myself at the Actor's
Studio that's absolute luck."
"And the Actor's Studio was fabulous in
those days. Lee Strasberg and Elia Kazan
were still teaching there in those days.
Jimmy Dean was there, Geraldine Page, Kim
Stanley, Eli Wallach, Anne Jackson. It was
very exciting. I learned more in those 14
months of studying there than I did in the
25 years that preceded it. Easy.
Because, you see, when I came to New York, I
was really collegiate. Also, I'd just gone
through a terrible bomb of a movie. Luckily
I was already in the play before it was
released. That was a clinker called The
Silver Chalice, my first picture. That's
the one I took the ad out in the trades
warning people not to watch on TV in L.A.
Except that move backfired, and everybody
watched it to see what I was talking about."
Newman takes a hit of his beer and squirms
around uneasily in his chair.
"Listen," he blurts, "am I boring you? I
mean, I wish I could come up with some
reflections about all this. Repeating the
history of my career, you know, almost bores
me, so I always have the feeling that I must
be boring the shit out of the other guy. No?
You sure? OK."
"Well, I mean, I try not to have too much of
a fat head about myself. Actually, the
advantage that Redford and I have had is
that it's a very, very slow process making
it up the ladder. I first appeared
professionally as an actor in 1950, and this
is 23 years later. And you can't get a fat
head from that kind of thing, because it
happens very, very slowly. The people I feel
sorry for are the instant celebrities, the
guys like Mark Spitz. I figure those guys
have got a very, very tough time of it."
"Oh, sure, it's flattering to your ego to
have droves of women flocking after you. At
first, anyway but then I'm happily married
and have been for a long time. I remember
first noticing that beginning to happen to
me when we were filming Hud down in
Texas. I mean, women were literally trying
to climb through the transoms at the motel.
It was a bad scene, really, 'cause there
were all these teenyboppers coming from
hundreds of miles around. And there was a
junior college right close by that's where
a lot of the problems came from. Some of the
guys on the crew were taking these young
ladies to their rooms and feeding them beer
and booze and...Somebody finally called in
the vice squad."
"God, I remember this one broad was banging
on my door at three o'clock in the morning
for about 15 minutes." Newman grins
lopsidedly. "Finally, I had to let her out.
I felt so old."
The writer asks Newman, who used to be
touted by studio flacks as the "New Brando,"
his opinion of Brando's method of declining
the Oscar.
"First, I've got to tell you, I had fun with
that comparison thing between Brando and me.
When I first went out to Hollywood and
everybody was referring to me as the 'road
company Brando' and things like that, I
found it was kind of interesting, 'cause
that's what I consider lazy journalism. It's
very easy for them to say, 'Well,
so-and-so's a young Bill Holden' or 'a young
Bette Davis' or any of that. I liked to nail
those guys, and it's very simple to do. You
ask them, 'What is Marlon's basic quality?
What does he carry within himself?' Well,
they're absolutely stumped, and they flop
around a lot, and I ask, 'Well, what do you
think my basic quality is?' And they
wouldn't know that, either. They didn't have
the vaguest idea of what Marlon's focus is,
which is eruptability. Eruptability is
always in the potential of the masses-type
hero. And the quality that I carry is Ivy
League Shaker Heights and like that."
"On the Oscar thing I'm not a member of
the Academy, by the way there's some
strange dichotomy there that doesn't really
make sense. To accept the award for On
The Waterfront and then to reject it
some years later on the basis that films are
not being fair to the American Indian is
certainly not a consistent kind of
attitude."
"I have very mixed opinions about the
awards. The only way they mean anything is
at the box office. I mean, if you have a box
office success to start with, there's no
real reason to pick up an award. If you have
a marginal picture an art film then the
award should be meaningful, not because of
making money or winning the medal or
anything like that, but because you'll get
people to go in to see a picture that they
might not go and see otherwise. That's why
you do films in the first place."
"I certainly don't disagree with Marlon's
sympathy for the Indians. My own political
views are pretty well known, I guess. I
campaigned extensively for McCarthy in '68,
and for Joe Duffy, who ran unsuccessfully
for the senate in '70, and also for Pete
McCloskey in California. I did 53 speeches
for McCloskey in three days."
"I've also been involved in the civil rights
thing, and hah! Zero Population Growth.
I laugh because it's difficult to do that
for a guy who's got six children."
Newman gestures wearily.
"What's happened to me in a political sense
is that I've gotten tired. Actually, I
think, say, Jane Fonda is probably a little
more radical than I am, although not all
that much. I suppose the main thing she and
I have in common is that we are both
fighters for certain causes, but at a
particular point I got tired, and it'll be
interesting to find out if she does, too.
It'll be interesting to see how long her
fire lasts. Unless, of course, she takes it
up as a vocation."
"Jane's committed herself to an action
position a lot more than I have, and she's
also invested a lot more of her time than
me. Trying to have visibility without being
visible has always been my impulse. The main
distinction between Jane and me, I think, is
that she enjoys it she enjoys all that
hassle. Me, I never enjoyed the hassle.
Making speeches, shaking hands, dealing with
the press it's all a pain in the ass."
"Which is why I wouldn't ever get into
politics. It would drive me wild. It
would blow my marriage and drive me crazy.
If Joanne suddenly found herself in a
position where she had to throw one of those
fancy Washington bashes, she would well,
that'd be the end of the relationship. She'd
say, 'Well, you're on your own, kid.'"
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Newman tosses off the last of his beer,
stands, yawns, stretches, and rubs his
stomach: "What time's it gettin' to be? Must
be two o'clock. Whyn't we head downstairs
and grab some turkey?"
Newman leads the way to the Pump Room, a
dimly-lit, over-priced bistro whose rococo
pretentiousness could only be done justice
by a graphic artist with a consummately
decadent eye. The restaurant is filled to
near-capacity with aging businessmen,
sitting beside sleekly-coiffed young hotdogs
and talking in imperious tones into plug-in
telephones. A majordomo in an absurd plumed
helmet stands at a rigid parade-rest
position near the entrance. On a small dais
in the center of the room, an anonymous
looking, and sounding, cocktail pianist is
tinkling forth show tunes from the Thirties
and Forties.
Seated, Newman props his chin on his elbows
and gazes curiously around the room. Raymond
St. Jacques, the black actor, is dining a
few tables away.
"I can remember eating dinner here 38 years
ago with my family," Newman muses. "I
must've been about five. This was the
place then, one of the legends."
A waiter appears, pencil and pad at the
poise. Both Newman and the writer order
medium-rare cheeseburgers and beer. "I'd
like a paper-thin slice of onion with that,"
Newman adds. "And have you got any dill
pickles back there?"
"Oh, yes, sir," the waiter assures him
before hurrying off.
"Geez," Newman sighs, "things're starting to
look up. I'm starving. You know, I've always
felt there should be a great ritual about
eating. I always try to do it that way. It's
interesting...I'm turning slowly into a
vegetarian. Joanne's a vegetarian now, and
so are two of my daughters. And I think the
whole family will be vegetarians inside of a
few years. The younger kids are too young to
make choices like that."
The waiter serves the beer.
"Ah, great!" Newman beams. "God, at this
rate, we'll go lurching out of here."
The writer asks Newman how he and his wife
get along when they're working in a
professional capacity.
"It's very simple," Newman says, nodding
emphatically. "We respect each other. As to
whether she brings her roles home with her,
she never has until this last one,
Marigolds. And she was a real pain in
the ass. I mean, of all the characters she's
played, including functioning voluptuaries
and very comedic ladies, it's amazing to me
that she would choose to take that monster
home with her.
"Ordinarily, Joanne's very kind and
considerate, you know. I'd never seen her
act difficult on a set before. She was
difficult because she really hated that lady
she was playing loathed her as a person,
you know. In a certain strange way, that
translated itself into her performance,
which is sensational to me. But she got
really off-balance and out of sync, to the
point where it affected her physical
appearance. Her face just went sour all of a
sudden, and Hey, I wonder what's going on
over there. Who're all those broads?the
walking wounded?"
Newman points to a klatsch of a dozen or so
elegantly-dressed young women who're
assembling under a spotlight in the center
of the room. Up on the dais, the pianist
strikes a series of peppy arpeggios and an
over-ripe chalupa steps up to the mike:
"Good afternoon, welcome to Pump Room
Fashions. I'm Lucia Berriault. We have a
very lovely show for you today. But I think
the real show is right in this room. In
booth two, we have a gentleman who produced,
directed, and stars in the film currently at
the Roosevelt Theater, The Book of
Numbers Mr. Raymond St. Jacques! Mr.
St. Jacques, will you stand up, please?"
A spot searches out St. Jacques, who stands
up to applause.
"Oh, no," Newman mutters, ducking his head.
"I think she's going to "
"And at the front, the superstar who
directed his wife, Joanne Woodward, in
Rachel, Rachel and his current The
Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon
Marigolds. He's in Chicago for about ten
days filming a new picture, The Sting
Mr. Paul Newman!"
Smiling sheepishly, Newman rises for his
round of applause, then hastily sits back
down and takes a gulp of beer. The fashion
show continues on the dais, and the models
begin to parade around among the tables for
closer inspection.
His lunch finished, St. Jacques drops by the
table to say hello. He and Newman shake
hands and exchange brief pleasantries. In a
basso rumble, St. Jacques says that he
enjoyed Marigolds very much, thank
you, then strides off briskly to the
cashier's booth.
"I'm not sure what we did wrong with
Marigolds" Newman reflects pensively,
"but somewhere along the line, we made a
mistake with it. Either in the selling or
the titling of it, I'm not sure which. But
whatever, it's not drawing the way it
deserves to draw. The people who see it,
though, say, 'Hey, gee, it has what most
American films have stopped having. It has a
very honest emotional base.' And they're
right, I think. It's no intellectual
exercise, that picture. Most American
pictures are too cooled-out and
intellectual, too cerebral. Maybe that's why
Tango worked, 'cause there is emotion
in sex it's not just a mechanical thing.
That's why I haven't seen any of the pornie
films. To me, the mechanics of sex is a
turn-off. I'm much more intrigued by the
mystery of it than the violent specifics of
it. As in Tango, and in a different
way in Marigolds, sex may be
humiliating or outrageous or a put-down or
whatever, but it's basically visceral,
without intellect, without mind."
"Would I like to work with Bertolucci? If I
think of those things at all, I'd like to
work with Olivier and maybe Kubrick. I'd
very much like to work with Bergman. Have
you seen Cries And Whispers? Well,
let me tell you maybe, just maybe, it's as
good a film as I've ever seen. It's
extraordinary, because there's a massive
intellect behind that picture in terms of
the construction and saying what it wants to
say, and yet it's an emotional experience.
It's an awesome combination of all that."
One of the models stops at the table, and,
catching Newman's eye, pirouettes gracefully
to show off the scarlet chiffon maxi she's
wearing. "Smashing!" Newman cries. "And
you're smashing yourself!" As the woman
smiles and strolls away, she's silhouetted
from behind by a bank of bright gel lights,
and Newman does a double-take. "My God, did
you see that?" he whispers. "You
could see right through that dress, and that
ravishing creature didn't have a stitch on
underneath! Where's my telescope? Should we
tell somebody? No, they'd turn off those
lights. Let's just quietly watch the parade
and think dirty thoughts."
The waiter brings the food, and Newman
attacks his cheeseburger with gusto: "My
God incredible this is going
to be a seven-napkin sandwich, at the
least." Chewing hungrily, Newman peers at
the writer's plate. "If you're going to eat
that with a fork, you're going to be a real
shit. If you'll cut that in half, it'll stay
together better. I'm very knowledgeable
about things like that. I'm knowledgeable
about beer, popcorn and hamburgers."
"To tell you the truth, I think if I could
afford to give up acting, I'd never act in
another film. That's right I've just
gotten to the point where I feel I'm
repeating myself, and also the whole sense
of making films is changing. You get a sense
that you don't have it, really. There are
some actors, I guess, who have...Lord,
this is a glossy lunch, isn't it? I don't
eat very many glossy lunches."
Across the room, the fashion show concludes
and the pianist segues into "The Very
Thought of You."
"The thing is," Newman says, talking with
his mouth full, "there seems to be that kind
of actor who just does not seem to duplicate
himself Olivier, Guinness and that's why
acting must remain kind of vibrant for them.
But after a while, when you find yourself
developing all the successful mannerisms,
that's the time to get out of it. The
directing and producing end of films I
don't know if I want to get into that all
the way or not. I think I'd like to open a
restaurant or a popcorn stand."
Newman chuckles and takes a deep swig of
beer.
"Actually, I don't know if that's tedium or
not. I suppose if you do the same root canal
as a dentist every day, however rewarding it
might be financially or whatever, there is a
kind of monotony that sets in, even if
you're doing a good job. I mean, it doesn't
deprecate the movie industry if someone says
there are other things available. Joanne,
for instance, is back in college. She's
studying the history of the Industrial
Revolution at Sarah Lawrence. Now, you
figure that one out."
"I asked her how she felt about that, how
she'd arrived at that, and she said, 'It's
marvelousI feel more interesting to
myself.'"
"That's my problem. I can't think of
anything yet. I tell you, the one thing that
people don't realize, as far as an actor is
concerned, is that he has to work at a given
point in his life. You take the best script
that's available, and you do it. I
figure if you make one good film out of four
or five, you've done very well. But what the
critics don't consider is the author, the
supporting actors, the director. You get a
mediocre script and you raise that above
mediocrity, then you're entitled to a
certain kind of self-congratulation. That
may be a much more significant and important
development than if you've got a marvelous
script and a great character and you wrongly
interpret it. I mean, the first way is
obviously a much larger struggle."
"That was the case with me in The
Outrage. The critics shit on it. The
studio wasn't very hot on it, and neither
were the reviewers. The same thing happened
to WUSA. It was a seriously flawed
picture, but...to me, the significance of
Joanne's performance, which was funky and
fucky, voluptuous, and all those incredible
things that you wouldn't recognize in, let's
say, Rachel or Gamma Rays.
Three totally different ladies there. If you
ask me how a picture like that happens to go
down the drain, I have to say I don't know.
I don't know. There are just mistakes. But
that was probably one of my better
performances. So was the part in The
Outrage."
"See, I don't usually tend to rate myself.
There are too many imponderables. I mean,
was The Outrage a better performance
in my own eyes because I crawled out of my
own skin, or does The Hustler, which
was the most difficult script to start
working with, hold up better? Is Harper
the best performance because the character
wasn't anywhere near as clearly defined as
in Hud? One is easy for the actor,
and one is difficult for the actor."
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The waiter pushes a pastry cart close to the
table and asks Newman if he cares for
dessert. Newman mock-groans, but orders a
twisted chocolate chip and a cup of Sanka. A
plump matron in a violet pantsuit takes
advantage of the lull in the conversation to
lean in close and ask Newman for his
autograph. Newman expels a mournful sigh: "I
love you, dear, but I don't give them.
What're your children's names?" Flustered,
the woman stammers, "Why, P-Paul and
Monica." Newman clasps the woman's hand
warmly: "Well, tell Paul and Monica I love
them, too, will you?"
When the woman, smiling radiantly, departs
and the waiter serves Newman his pastry, the
writer brings up the subject of Pocket
Money, explaining that Lee Marvin,
Newman's co-star in the film, had expressed
the feeling a few months before that Newman
had "finessed" him out of the picture.
Fork arrested in mid-air, Newman stares in
surprise: "I finessed him? I never even
looked at the picture. Well, no, now I
made some recommendations about the ending
two voice-overs that the two of us have
but that was the only comment I made. Did he
really say that?"
"Well, it's just absolutely not true. I
mean, Redford and George Hill and I have all
got operational egos, but you never see that
in terms of performance. Pocket Money
didn't make it, for sure, but I was
delighted to play that character, that
adolescent. I think the picture was too
repetitious in terms of the humor, and it
didn't really know where it was going. It
was fey and artificial."
"Geez, ego is a very peculiar thing, you
know it? I remember I was on a skiing trip
in Switzerland once, and six or eight people
were having dinner with me in a cafe. Our
waiter kept staring at me, and finally he
walked over and slapped me on the back
practically knocked me out of the chair
and said, 'I couldn't think of your name,
but you're Steve McQueen, aren't you?' And I
said, 'Oh, yeah, pal.' He said, 'God,
I really love your pictures. The Reivers
I thought you were great in that.' I said,
'Thank you very much.' When the bill came, I
left the guy a dime tip. So McQueen's name
in Switzerland is mud."
Newman guffaws and dumps a dollop of cream
in his Sanka...
"I tell you, though, it's too bad that all
those actors and actresses in that early
period of real stardom are gone...Pickford,
Fairbanks, Chaplin. They were sensational,
'cause they were really royalty. Inasmuch as
this country would allow royalty, you know,
they were it. And it's too bad that it's
down now to the lowest common denominator,
which is where films are oh, hell, yes,
mine or anybody else's. It's just that there
are no more stars. Stardom being defined, I
suppose, as a guarantee that the picture
will make money."
"Take Harry Frigg, for instance. It
ultimately bombed, but I did that for two
reasons. First, I thought I could pull off
that character. I think when they cut the
film, they took a lot of the character stuff
out and left all the one-liners in. The
second reason is, as I say, an actor has to
work. I mean, I cannot go without working
except once every four years when I find a
spectacular script like Butch Cassidy.
I try to pick the best scripts that are
around at a particular moment. I thought I'd
have fun with Harry Frigg, and I did,
to a certain degree. Joanne thinks it's very
funny."
"Joanne and I once did a film together at
Paramount that wasn't very, good, either. It
was called A New Kind of Love. Joanne
read the script and she said, 'Gee this is
kind of fun. Why don't you read it?' So I
read it and I told her, 'Well, I don't think
it's fun I don't think it's anything.'
She said, 'I was thinking we might do it
together.' I said, 'No, you do it,
and I'll watch and clap soundlessly from the
wings.' She said, 'You sonofabitch! Here
I've made my career subservient to yours
I've raised your family, and not only my
children and your children, but your
children from another marriage,' and
blah-blah-blah, and I said, 'Say no more,
love. I'm really anxious to do it, I'm
really chafing at the bit.' And that's how
that project got off the ground. The
family wash."
Newman laughs wryly and takes a final bite
of pastry.
"Well, there just wasn't much of a script,
you see. Same thing happened years before
with Paris Blues, a picture Joanne
and I made with Sidney Poitier. We had a lot
of problems with the script, and it came out
too bland. I did learn to play the trombone,
though. And very accurately, too. When we
shot the film, I was playing everything. I
didn't have a tone quality that was all that
good, but I could play it all. Sometimes on
the high stuff, I had to play an octave
lower. There's a whole session near the end
with Louis Armstrong. I played all of that,
and it was fun. But my whole face fell after
I quit playing. It's like anything else. You
build up muscles in your face to play
trombone, and then you stop playing and
blap."
"A plus about making pictures is that you
learn something new on every one, whether
it's a good one or a stinker. If nothing
else, you meet new people. I didn't want to
do Exodus, for example. I thought it
was too cold and expository, and actually I
tried to get out of it. But I did get to
know [Otto] Preminger."
"He's got the reputation of being such a
fascist asshole, and he is on the set. I
mean, he can pick out the most vulnerable
person and then walk all over him, you know.
He could walk down a line of 200 people at a
fast pace and pick somebody out and make
lunch out of him. Off the set, though, I
found him articulate, informed, funny,
absolutely lovable."
"Hitchcock, hmn...We just didn't have a good
script for Torn Curtain. And that
always colors things, you know. You work
with someone and it happens to be a great
script and the picture comes out
sensationally, and you have a good taste in
your mouth. If it doesn't turn out so hot,
it's very hard to evaluate the taste after
that."
"I've worked successfully with Marty Ritt on
a lot of pictures The Long Hot Summer,
Hud, The Outrage, Hombre. Most or all of
those scripts were by Irving Ravetch and his
wife, Harriet Frank, Jr. Harriet was one of
the first women libbers, back long before it
was fashionable. I can remember having long,
passionate discussions with her, at the end
of which I always maintained my piggish
Victorian attitudes. The four of us made
quite a good combination, though, and we're
just waiting for the next good thing to come
along."
"Good scripts are damn scarce. I recall I
wanted to do The Hustler with Bob
Rossen from the word go. That picture was
something special for Rossen, who was
already terminally ill, because he was
familiar with the world of pool and that
whole hustler era, and he just pulled
himself together to do the film, and he was
incredible. I blame the blacklist in part
for Rossen's death. I think the second he
succumbed to that, he hurt his pride to a
fatal extent."
"There was one scene in The Hustler,
though, that I always had a big quarrel with
the scene on the hillside where Eddie
tells the girl what it's like to play pool,
right? Well, the way it was originally
written, I thought it was a nothing scene
it just wasn't there, it had no sense of
specialness. So I told Rossen he ought to
somehow liken what Eddie does to what
anybody who's performing something
sensational is doing a ballplayer, say, or
some guy who laid 477 bricks in one day."
"Well, we were shooting on 55th Street in
New York, and Bob listened to what I said,
and we walked into his office, and it
couldn't have been six minutes later that he
came out with the four-page scene that was
in the film. He was that type of artist. He
did the whole goddamn thing."
Across the room, Redford enters and
semaphores his arms, motioning to Newman
that it's time to return to the set.
Grinning, Newman asks the waiter for the
check and strolls over to the cashier's
stand. "I hope you got all those girls
cleared out of your room, buddy boy," Newman
says teasingly to Redford. "This is a class
joint." Redford puts on a long face and lets
his shoulders slump dejectedly. "All gone,"
he clucks. "They all went back to Decatur on
the Greyhound."
The following morning, a predicted six-inch
snowfall fails to materialize, but it's
snapping cold as the film troupe sets up
shop in a vacant lot adjacent to the el
station at 43rd and Calumet. The morning's
location site lies in the heart of the tough
South Side ghetto, and the crew members
tread cautiously as a predominantly black
crowd of onlookers assembles. "Hey, there's
the Sundance Kid!" a skinny kid with a bushy
red Afro cries, pointing at Redford, who's
walking toward his dressing-room trailer
carrying a dog-eared copy of David
Halberstam's The Best and the Brightest.
"Wonder where at ol' Butch Cassidy is? He
the one I wanna see."
The morning's setup involves a foot chase
along the el tracks, and as George Roy Hill
blocks out the scene, Charles Durning, the
publicist, the somewhat crestfallen lady
from Time, Inc., and Marie Cosindas huddle
under the passenger kiosk nearby, their coat
collars turned up against the cold. Durning,
who plays a crooked cop in the film, is on
temporary leave from his starring role in
the Pulitzer Prize-winning play, That
Championship Season. A Jimmy Breslin
look-alike, Durning, in fact, portrayed a
character based on Breslin in Phil
D'Antoni's above-average made-for-TV movie,
Connection.
"I taught ballroom dancing for Fred Astaire
before I got into the theater," Durning is
saying, "and then I got married when I was
27. My wife said, 'Well, what're you going
to do?' I said, 'Stay a dancer, I guess.'
She said, 'Oh, no, you're not.' So I told
her that I'd always wanted to be an actor,
and she said, 'Well, go ahead and do it.'
But 12 years later she left me because she
couldn't stand actors. Hah!"
Everybody laughs, and Cosindas remarks in a
tiny voice that she's got a problem of her
own. She says she's been assigned by a
magazine to photograph Mayor Daley in his
office, but she doesn't know how to approach
him. "How do you get on Daley's good side?"
"Kiss his ring, I guess," the publicist
murmurs drily.
Stationary jogging to keep warm, the kid
with the Afro, who answers to the name of
Nickel Bag, has started up a flirty
shuck-and-jive conversation with a
spindly-legged girl wearing a T-shirt
bearing the stenciled motto: "I Am
Sagittarius?I'm Crabby." "You seen any movie
stars yet?" she asks him. "Naw. Oh, yeah
seen the Sundance Kid. Ol' Butch Cassidy,
though, he ain't showed up yet. He the main
one I wanna see. He a stone righteous dude,
man."
One of the technicians overhears the kid and
tells him that Newman isn't scheduled for
any of the day's scenes.
The kid looks outraged. "What kinda shit is
that, man? Sheeit, I done hooked school
today to see that dude, man." Dejected, the
kid reflects for a minute, then has an
inspiration. He slaps the girl's palm.
"Looka yere, girl, you got any main man?"
"Naw, uh-huh," the girl titters.
"Well, you got one now, sugar. And I'ma tell
you what?if you got any bread, I'ma take you
to see The Mack."
And with stern authority, Nickel Bag takes
her arm and steers her toward the stairs to
the street.
[From Issue 138 July 5, 1973]